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Lufthansa 410 at JFK, not happy!

A frustrated Lufthansa pilot reacts bluntly after learning the controller didn't witness their four-hour delay.

2010-12-29 John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK), New York

Summary

During the aftermath of the massive December 2010 North American blizzard, Lufthansa 410 experienced a grueling four-hour delay on the JFK tarmac. The pilot contacted ground control to see if the current controller had been on duty for the duration of their ordeal. Upon hearing the controller had just started, the pilot responded with a brief, unvarnished expression of disappointment.

Analysis

This recording captures a moment of raw human frustration during one of the most challenging periods for Northeast aviation: the December 2010 blizzard. The storm dropped over 20 inches of snow on New York City, leading to thousands of cancellations and leaving many aircraft stranded on taxiways for hours as JFK struggled to clear runways and manage gate availability.

The exchange is notable for its brevity and lack of typical radio etiquette. The pilot of Lufthansa 410 is searching for some form of continuity or shared experience with the person directing them. After sitting for nearly four hours, the pilot likely wanted to speak with someone who understood the history of their specific delays or perhaps simply wanted to vent to someone who had "suffered" through the shift with them.

In aviation, controllers rotate positions frequently to prevent fatigue. By the time Lufthansa 410 was finally moving or seeking an update, the controller who originally handled them had likely gone on break or finished their shift. The pilot's response—a blunt "Ah, shit"—violates standard phraseology but perfectly encapsulates the "tarmac fever" that sets in during extended ground holds.

This incident occurred shortly after the FAA's "Tarmac Delay Rule" (limiting domestic flights to 3 hours on the tarmac) had been implemented, though international flights like this one had slightly different considerations at the time. The recording serves as a historical snapshot of the exhaustion felt by both flight crews and airport staff during catastrophic weather events.

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Original ATC Communication

Plain English Translation

LUFTHANSA 410
Ground, Lufthansa 410.
LUFTHANSA 410
Ground control, this is Lufthansa flight 410.
GROUND
Lufthansa 410, ground.
GROUND
Lufthansa 410, ground control here. Go ahead.
LUFTHANSA 410
Have you been here about three and a half hours ago when we started this thing?
LUFTHANSA 410
Were you working here about three and a half hours ago when we started this whole ordeal?
GROUND
Say again?
GROUND
Could you repeat that?
LUFTHANSA 410
Have you been here on the radio about four hours ago when we came here?
LUFTHANSA 410
Were you the one on the radio about four hours ago when we first arrived?
GROUND
I was not on the radio at that time.
GROUND
I wasn't the controller working the radio at that time.
LUFTHANSA 410
Ah, shit.
LUFTHANSA 410
Ah, damn it.

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