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Lufthansa stuck while JFK Ground wants AF6 in Paris

A Lufthansa aircraft gets stuck in snow at JFK while Ground jokes with Air France.

2010-12-29 John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK), New York

Summary

During winter operations at JFK, a Lufthansa flight becomes stuck in a snowbank, requiring ground support and careful maneuvering. Amidst the congestion, an Air France A380 reports a 45-minute gate delay, leading to a famously witty exchange with the controller. The recording captures the logistical challenges of managing heavy aircraft on snow-cluttered taxiways.

Analysis

This incident took place in the aftermath of a significant winter storm at John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK). The primary conflict involves Lufthansa 4 Charlie 3, which has managed to get its right-hand main landing gear buried in approximately one to two feet of snow while attempting to taxi. This is a delicate situation; heavy aircraft require significant thrust to overcome the resistance of snow, but high power settings on the ground can create dangerous jet blast for nearby vehicles or cause the aircraft to lurch forward unpredictably once it breaks free.

The recording is notable for the "New York style" of air traffic control—efficient, slightly stressed, and punctuated by dry humor. As the controller attempts to coordinate a path for British Airways (Speedbird 177) and manage the stuck Lufthansa, Air France 6 (an Airbus A380 "Super") adds to the congestion by reporting they cannot reach their gate for nearly 45 minutes. In a crowded taxiway environment constrained by snowbanks, a "Super" aircraft sitting idle is a major tactical headache for Ground Control.

The technical highlight of the exchange is the Lufthansa pilot's request to taxi "straight ahead" rather than turning. In aviation, turning requires more power and creates different lateral forces on the landing gear; if a plane is already struggling for traction in snow, a straight-line exit is much safer. The controller grants this, prioritizing the movement of the stuck aircraft over standard taxi routes.

The recording concludes with a classic ATC "zinger." When the Air France pilot asks if the controller wants them to wait somewhere else due to their gate delay, the controller responds, "I'd like you in Paris, but I don't think I can have that." This highlights the human element of ATC, where humor is often used to diffuse the tension of a difficult shift involving multiple heavy aircraft and poor surface conditions.

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Original ATC Communication

Plain English Translation

SPEEDBIRD 177
...if you can negotiate us around the cafe, we'll go in.
SPEEDBIRD 177
...if you can guide us past the cafe area, we'll head into the gate.
LUFTHANSA 4C3
JFK Ground, Lufthansa 4 Charlie 3.
LUFTHANSA 4C3
JFK Ground control, this is Lufthansa flight 4 Charlie 3 calling in.
JFK GROUND
Yes, Lufthansa 4 Charlie 3.
JFK GROUND
Go ahead, Lufthansa 4 Charlie 3, I'm listening.
LUFTHANSA 4C3
Lufthansa 4 Charlie 3. Is there anybody in the vicinity of our aircraft who can have a look at our main gear? It seems we are stuck in a snowbank on our right-hand side. Is that possible to confirm that?
LUFTHANSA 4C3
Lufthansa 4 Charlie 3. Is there anyone nearby who can check our main landing wheels? It feels like we're stuck in a snowbank on our right side. Can someone confirm that for us?
DELTA TUG
Support vehicle by Lufthansa heavy. Looks like his right gear is in about two feet of snow.
DELTA TUG
This is the support truck right next to the large Lufthansa jet. It looks like his right-side wheels are buried in about two feet of snow.
JFK GROUND
Okay. And I'm sorry, Delta 3, you said his right main is in two feet of snow?
JFK GROUND
Alright. Sorry, Delta tug, did you say his right main landing gear is stuck in two feet of snow?
DELTA TUG
Looks like it's right main from here.
DELTA TUG
From where I'm standing, it definitely looks like the right main wheels.
JFK GROUND
Lufthansa 4 Charlie 3, you copy?
JFK GROUND
Lufthansa 4 Charlie 3, did you hear that report?
LUFTHANSA 4C3
Copy. We'll try and increase the power again, and if that would not help, we need a truck.
LUFTHANSA 4C3
We heard. We’re going to try giving the engines more power to push through, and if that doesn't work, we're going to need a tow truck.
JFK GROUND
Okay. Well, hang on, I got a vehicle right in front of you, so just wait one second.
JFK GROUND
Okay, but hold on—I have a vehicle right in front of you, so just wait a second before you try that.
LUFTHANSA 4C3
Sure.
LUFTHANSA 4C3
Will do.
JFK GROUND
Support vehicle by Lufthansa.
JFK GROUND
Support vehicle near the Lufthansa plane, come in.
DELTA TUG
Team 4.
DELTA TUG
This is Team 4.
JFK GROUND
All right, Team 4. What's the gear look like to you?
JFK GROUND
Okay, Team 4. Give me a better look—how do those wheels look to you now?
DELTA TUG
Yeah, he's in some snow. He's in about a foot of snow.
DELTA TUG
Yeah, he’s definitely in it. Looks like he's sitting in about a foot of snow.
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
Ground, Air France 006 Super.
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
Ground control, this is the massive Air France flight 006.
JFK GROUND
Air France 006 Super, Kennedy Ground. Taxi to the ramp.
JFK GROUND
Air France 006 Super, this is Kennedy Ground. Go ahead and drive over to the parking area.
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
Taxi to the ramp, Air France 006 Super.
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
Driving to the parking area now, Air France 006 Super.
JFK GROUND
And Speedbird 177, understand they have a stand for you? What number?
JFK GROUND
And British Airways 177, I understand they have a parking spot ready for you? What gate number is it?
SPEEDBIRD 177
It's number nine, but we need to go in via Whiskey. So if we can transition onto Bravo here, we can go past the cafe and then in onto Whiskey.
SPEEDBIRD 177
It’s gate number nine, but we need to enter through taxiway Whiskey. So if we can switch over to taxiway Bravo right here, we can drive past the cafe and then turn onto Whiskey.
JFK GROUND
177, proceed as requested.
JFK GROUND
British Airways 177, proceed with that route as you requested.
SPEEDBIRD 177
Thanks very much, 177.
SPEEDBIRD 177
Thanks very much, 177.
JFK GROUND
Lufthansa 4 Charlie 3, just hang on one second. Because if you do move forward and kind of go towards the runway, that would be bad. So I just want to get Alitalia rolling, and then you can increase the power as you requested and we'll see what happens.
JFK GROUND
Lufthansa 4 Charlie 3, just hold on one second. If you move forward and head toward the active runway right now, that would be dangerous. I want to get this Alitalia flight moving first, and then you can rev up your engines like you asked and we’ll see what happens.
LUFTHANSA 4C3
Okay. If we have to increase the power more, it would be more feasible for us if we taxi here straight ahead on the runway. That would be much easier for us because in the turn, we have the problem with the power setting.
LUFTHANSA 4C3
Okay. If we have to use that much engine power to move, it would be much safer for us to just drive straight ahead onto the runway. That would be a lot easier because we have trouble managing the engine thrust while trying to make a turn.
JFK GROUND
That's not a problem. You can expect that clearance momentarily. Just hold your position.
JFK GROUND
That’s not a problem. I’ll give you permission for that in just a moment. For now, stay right where you are.
LUFTHANSA 4C3
Roger that.
LUFTHANSA 4C3
Understood, staying put.
DELTA TUG
Delta Tug 1.
DELTA TUG
This is Delta towing vehicle number one.
JFK GROUND
Delta Tug 1, go ahead.
JFK GROUND
Delta Tug 1, go ahead with your request.
DELTA TUG
Alpha, requesting to reposition to Lima Alpha.
DELTA TUG
I'm on taxiway Alpha, requesting to move over to the Lima-Alpha intersection.
JFK GROUND
Tug 1, go left Alpha.
JFK GROUND
Tug 1, turn left onto taxiway Alpha.
DELTA TUG
Left Alpha.
DELTA TUG
Turning left onto taxiway Alpha.
JFK GROUND
Air France 6 Super, turn right on either—turn right onto Alpha and taxi to the ramp.
JFK GROUND
Air France 6 Super, take a right on either—actually, just turn right onto taxiway Alpha and head toward the parking area.
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
Air France 006, we've got about 35 to 45 minutes delay before gate is free.
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
This is Air France 006, we just found out our gate won't be open for another 35 to 45 minutes.
JFK GROUND
Okay. Well, in that case, turn right on Alpha and hold short of Mike Alpha, but you can't stay there.
JFK GROUND
Got it. In that case, turn right on Alpha and stop just before you reach taxiway Mike Alpha, but you won't be able to park there for long.
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
Copy, we turn right on Alpha, hold short of Mike Alpha. And gate seven, we will enter via November.
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
Understood, turning right on Alpha and stopping before Mike Alpha. When gate seven is ready, we'll head in using taxiway November.
JFK GROUND
Okay, now you have Gate 7, and in how long?
JFK GROUND
Okay, so you're waiting for Gate 7, and how much longer did you say?
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
About 35 to 45 minutes.
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
It's going to be about 35 to 45 minutes.
JFK GROUND
All right. You know what? In that case, just pull straight ahead and hold short of Alpha and stay there for now.
JFK GROUND
All right. You know what? Since it's that long, just pull straight ahead and stop before you hit taxiway Alpha and stay put for a bit.
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
Copy. Straight ahead and we hold short of Alpha. Southbound or northbound?
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
Copy that. Straight ahead and we'll stop before Alpha. Do you want us facing south or north?
JFK GROUND
No, I just want you to just hold there for now. Lufthansa 4 Charlie 3, all right, sounds like you'd like to proceed and try and go straight ahead, sir?
JFK GROUND
No, I just want you to stay exactly where you are for now. Lufthansa 4 Charlie 3, okay, it sounds like you're ready to move and want to try going straight ahead?
LUFTHANSA 4C3
Affirmative.
LUFTHANSA 4C3
That's correct.
JFK GROUND
All right, you may proceed as requested. If you're able, hold short of 3-1 Left. If unable, advise.
JFK GROUND
All right, you're clear to move as you asked. If you can, stop just before you reach runway 3-1 Left. If you can't make that work, let me know.
LUFTHANSA 4C3
Lufthansa, we'll try our very best right now.
LUFTHANSA 4C3
Lufthansa here, we're going to give it our best shot right now.
JFK GROUND
Air France, I don't—I want you to stay on November. I don't want you to join Alpha, sir, so you can get to the gate. So can you turn back towards Alpha if you're going to go into November?
JFK GROUND
Air France, actually—I want you to stay on taxiway November. I don't want you to pull onto Alpha if you're trying to reach your gate. Can you turn back toward Alpha if you're planning to use November?
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
Sorry, you want us to stay on November or Alpha?
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
Sorry, I'm a bit confused—do you want us to stay on taxiway November or Alpha?
JFK GROUND
Well, I eventually want you to—I need you to, because you're going to enter the ramp at November, correct?
JFK GROUND
Well, eventually I'm going to need you to do that, because you’re planning to enter the parking area at taxiway November, right?
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
Yes, sure. But I don't know how long we'll stay there, you know? About 35 to 45 minutes. Maybe you want us anywhere else?
AIR FRANCE 6 SUPER
Yes, definitely. But I’m not sure how long we’ll be sitting there, you know? Probably 35 to 45 minutes. Is there somewhere else you’d rather have us?
JFK GROUND
I'd like you in Paris, but I don't think I can have that. Um...
JFK GROUND
I’d like to have you all the way in Paris, but I don’t think I can make that happen. Um...

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