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Pilots See Unusual Lights in the Sky

Multiple commercial pilots report seeing two unusual lights maneuvering at extreme altitudes over a military operations area.

2024-12-06 Fort Worth Center Airspace, near Rivers MOA (Texas/Oklahoma region)

Summary

Pilots from Envoy Air and Frontier Airlines reported seeing two unidentified lights performing erratic maneuvers for up to an hour. The objects were described as "jogging back and forth" and changing relative positions at altitudes estimated to be in space. Air Traffic Control confirmed that the nearby Rivers Military Operations Area (MOA) was inactive and that no targets were visible on radar.

Analysis

This recording captures a professional and calm exchange regarding a UAP (Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena) sighting. The incident begins with Envoy 3413 inquiring if the Rivers MOA is "hot" (active). In aviation, a Military Operations Area is a block of airspace designated for military training; pilots check its status to account for high-performance aircraft or maneuvers that might explain unusual visual sightings. When ATC confirms the area is "cold" (inactive), the pilot reveals they have been watching two lights "jogging back and forth" for thirty minutes.

The situation gains credibility when a second aircraft, Frontier 1757, chimes in to confirm they have been watching the same objects for nearly an hour. The pilots describe the lights as changing relative positions—"flipping positions"—and exhibiting extreme fluctuations in brightness, going from "super bright" to "completely dim" instantaneously. These descriptions are consistent with many modern UAP reports where objects appear to defy conventional physics or orbital mechanics.

A key technical detail is the pilot's estimate that the objects were "about a hundred miles out in space." If accurate, this would place the objects in Low Earth Orbit (LEO). However, the fact that they were "jogging" and changing positions relative to the pilots' perspective suggests either highly unusual orbital maneuvers or that the objects were closer than they appeared. ATC's lack of radar contact is standard for such sightings, as civilian secondary surveillance radar is designed to track transponders and typically filters out objects at extreme altitudes or those without a "squawk" code.

The recording is notable for the lack of "stigma" in the reporting. Historically, pilots were hesitant to report UFOs for fear of medical grounding or ridicule. Here, the pilots and the Fort Worth Center controller handle the matter with professional curiosity and standard reporting procedures. This incident adds to a growing body of documented sightings by commercial crews in the United States, particularly in the vicinity of military training ranges.

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Original ATC Communication

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PILOT_01
Envoy 3413's got a question.
PILOT_01
This is the pilot on Envoy 3413, I have a question for you.
ATC
Go ahead.
ATC
Go ahead, I'm listening.
PILOT_01
Is the Rivers MOA hot? Do you have anybody messing around over there?
PILOT_01
Is that Rivers military training airspace active right now? Do you have anyone flying maneuvers over there?
ATC
It is cold. I was just curious why you ask.
ATC
No, that area is inactive today. I was just curious why you’re asking.
PILOT_01
All right, this is going to sound a little weird, but we keep asking about the MOA because we're following these two lights that are up above us that have been jogging back and forth, left and right, for about a half hour.
PILOT_01
All right, this is going to sound a little weird, but we keep asking about that military zone because we’re watching these two lights way above us. They’ve been darting back and forth, left and right, for about half an hour.
ATC
Really? Yeah, I don't see anything on radar and no, Rivers is not active today.
ATC
Really? I don't see anything on my radar screen, and no, that military airspace isn't being used today.
PILOT_02
Frontier 1757—we've been watching them for about an hour too in the northwest sky.
PILOT_02
This is the pilot on Frontier 1757—we’ve been watching those same lights for about an hour too, over in the northwest sky.
ATC
Really?
ATC
Is that so?
PILOT_01
Yeah, us as well.
PILOT_01
Yeah, we’re seeing them too.
PILOT_02
They just flipped positions. They actually moved. It's the first time I've seen them change relative position.
PILOT_02
They just swapped places. They’re actually moving. That’s the first time I’ve seen them change positions relative to each other.
ATC
That's weird. Are they way up high? Sorry, I blocked you. Say again: close in to you, or are they up high?
ATC
That’s strange. Are they way up high? Sorry, someone else talked over you. Say again: are they close to your plane, or are they way up high?
PILOT_02
Oh, I'd put them about a hundred miles out in space.
PILOT_02
Oh, I’d guess they’re about a hundred miles up, basically out in space.
ATC
Gotcha.
ATC
I copy that.
PILOT_01
Agreed. Yeah, they get super bright and then go completely dim all of a sudden.
PILOT_01
I agree. They get incredibly bright and then suddenly go completely dark all of a sudden.
ATC
Frontier 1757, increase speed to 280.
ATC
Frontier 1757, please increase your speed to 280 knots.
PILOT_02
280 knots, 1757.
PILOT_02
We're maintaining 280 knots, Frontier 1757.
ATC
Frontier 1757, Fort Worth 124.87. Good night.
ATC
Frontier 1757, switch over to the Fort Worth controller on frequency 124.87. Good night.
PILOT_02
24.87, 1757. We'll see you.
PILOT_02
Switching to 124.87, 1757. See you later.
ATC
Envoy 3413, Fort Worth 124.87. Good night.
ATC
Envoy 3413, contact the Fort Worth center on 124.87. Good night.
PILOT_01
124.87, Envoy 3413. Good day.
PILOT_01
Over to 124.87, Envoy 3413. Have a good day.

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